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[deleted] ⢠429 points ⢠2022-10-11
Is there a reason why Punjab would be only 51%?
GodOfArk ⢠171 points ⢠2022-10-11
As a person from Punjab, if a student is told to speak in Hindi instead of Punjabi, he struggle a lot
Kschitiz23x3 ⢠49 points ⢠2022-10-12
Understanding a language and speaking a language are two different things
PUNJABez ⢠10 points ⢠2022-10-12
Many canât speak properly but everyone can understand.
wannabegigolo2 ⢠41 points ⢠2022-10-11
because the other 49% of people donât speak hindi?
Thebandofredhand ⢠7 points ⢠2022-10-11
My family is from Punjab - Doaba region to be particular and I am surprised it is as high as 51% but I guess other regions have higher Hindi speakers.
[deleted] ⢠0 points ⢠2022-10-11
Go to a village in Majha region and try to understand Punjabi. It would sound like gibberish to you.
Mannsaab6996 ⢠121 points ⢠2022-10-11
Go to a village in Majha region and try to understand Punjabi. It would sound like gibberish to you.
I_am_classified ⢠8 points ⢠2022-10-12
Tbh you can also say that for Hindi belt itself,go to a rural village in Bihar and youâll likely not be able to communicate as effectively in Hindi either
[deleted] ⢠79 points ⢠2022-10-11
Is there any site which has this data set without individual languages being consolidated to hindi?
santa326 ⢠63 points ⢠2022-10-11
Actually Punjabi spoken in villages âpindh â is different from the main stream Punjabi itself let alone hindi.
M-3-R-C-U-R-Y ⢠7 points ⢠2022-10-12
Yup itâs also pretty regional and each region has different kind of accent and some words are also different.
[deleted] ⢠202 points ⢠2022-10-11
We do understand hindi but we are unable to express ourselves in Hindi and the assumption of Hindi and Punjabi being similar is unfounded. The punjabi of today (especially the Malwa belt) has been assimilated with Hindi but if you talk to someone in the Doaba and Majha belt, the words used are mostly punjabi/urdu/persian (yes there are a hell lot of words exclusively to punjabi language alone), which might have historical reasons because the Sikh Empire under Ranjit Singh was limited till the Sutlej only.
sadgurlstuff ⢠82 points ⢠2022-10-11
Kuch bhi, theyâre very different cuz If that were true, people speaking Hindi would understand Punjabi and I donât. Itâs all tunak tunak for me.
orus ⢠22 points ⢠2022-10-11
Upvoted for tunak tunak, but you are correct!
[deleted] ⢠0 points ⢠2022-10-11
_replicant_02 ⢠38 points ⢠2022-10-11
Man this statement is ignorant AF.
theoretical_waffle ⢠83 points ⢠2022-10-11
This is 100% not the case. You have never heard theeth Punjabi then. Go to a smaller town or village in Punjab and you wonât be able to understand the Punjabi they speak.
User_Name13 ⢠29 points ⢠2022-10-11
Majority of punjab can understand and speak hindi.
Yea no shit, it says 51%. Thatâs the majority.
Punjabi and hindi arenât that different to speak.
Uh, yes they are.
I can understand Hindi from watching Bollywood movies, but I canât speak it.
I can speak Punjabi.
Gil-GaladWasBlond ⢠7 points ⢠2022-10-11
I mean Iâm from Delhi and this is not true at all. Registration ns closer to Delhi do speak Jind but the more internal you get Punjabi is very different, completely unrecognisable vocabulary from Hindi. Theth Punjabi and the Punjabi you hear close to Delhi are different.
beenjampun ⢠27 points ⢠2022-10-11
Yeah but when those 49 percent try to speak Hindi, theyâre basically speaking Punjabi with a Hindi accent .
M-3-R-C-U-R-Y ⢠6 points ⢠2022-10-12
Nah mate, punjabi here, punjabi is pretty different and if you hear me talking in my household you wonât understand half of the stuff weâll be speaking. Plus once you go deeper into punjab they canât speak hindi well, theyâll just speak in punjabi but trying to imitate hindi accent.
Ehehehe00 ⢠5 points ⢠2022-10-11
Rural punjab doesnât speak or is able to speak Hindi, atleast one which a person from UP can understand
OkPersonality4825 ⢠12 points ⢠2022-10-11
Imagine living in urban India where you are exposed to Hindi can you speak or understand any regional language which are similar to Hindi . Now just reverse the situation because I have seen the reverse with my own eyes and people do have trouble understanding or speaking the language (even the dialect) they have never been exposed to.
Unusual_Web4431 ⢠324 points ⢠2022-10-11
Tamil nadu enters the chat
F_ZOMBIE ⢠120 points ⢠2022-10-11
Vanakkam!
motorhead1916 ⢠226 points ⢠2022-10-11
When did 2.1% of us learn hindi? Flippinâ traitors.
thelastattemptsname ⢠65 points ⢠2022-10-11
Thinking majority would fall under my case. Studied/worked in a Hindi speaking region for a while. Although I did learn to read and write for a few years when I was a kid so that definitely helps. That and watching Hindi movies made it easier for me to manage when I was outside Chennai.Still shit at speaking more than basic survival level.
motorhead1916 ⢠20 points ⢠2022-10-11
I was merely joking, but still, good for you man.
thechakravarthi ⢠24 points ⢠2022-10-12
CBSE students
its_always_tj ⢠18 points ⢠2022-10-12
âA sectionâ gang
marvelwalker ⢠10 points ⢠2022-10-12
I had compulsory 3rd language Hindi in school from 6th to 8th and failed miserably
Thatâs when I was like âHindi pesa mudyathu podaâ
But I also failed in tamil miserably but thatâs another issue
mongrelbifana ⢠55 points ⢠2022-10-11
Off topic but I love your food. Marathi/Goan by decent but explored TN quite a bit and enjoyed it! Cheers.
Parktrundler ⢠5 points ⢠2022-10-12
Vegetarian fare or the Non vegetarian Chettinad variety or seafood?
phs125 ⢠16 points ⢠2022-10-12
I went to Kanyakumari last month, I donât know Hindi or tamil. So Iâm trying to speak in English everywhere, but everyone replies in Hindi.
I thought Tamils hated HindiâŚRegalia_BanshEe ⢠49 points ⢠2022-10-12
Because kanyakumari is a tourist spot
mrappbrain ⢠383 points ⢠2022-10-11
Seeing so many people go âbut all my friends speak Hindi, the data must be wrongâ is ridiculous.
What people donât get is that yâall from cities and towns with access to and awareness of reddit and advanced internet use are just in places that are more likely to have a higher percentage of Hindi/English speakers. But most of India doesnât live in cities and towns. 66 percent of Indiaâs population lives in rural areas where they only converse in their native language. It is these people that make up the chart, not you guys and your city friends. It doesnât necessarily mean the data is innaccurate, just that your perspective is biased.
This data is based on the official census of India, which is way more reliable and rigorous than yâall anecdotal opinions.
[deleted] ⢠42 points ⢠2022-10-11
Percentage of indians on reddit might not even be in double digits lol (even single digits i guess).
M-3-R-C-U-R-Y ⢠5 points ⢠2022-10-12
Percentage of indians on reddit might not even be in double digits lol (even single digits i guess).
kasamkhaake ⢠29 points ⢠2022-10-12
Seeing so many people go âbut all my friends speak Hindi, the data must be wrongâ is ridiculous.
Shows these people donât travel outside their own bubble.
tralfamadelorean31 ⢠394 points ⢠2022-10-11
Hindi theriyaathu, poda!
F_ZOMBIE ⢠140 points ⢠2022-10-11
Enakum theriyadhu, poda!
ekalavya007 ⢠78 points ⢠2022-10-11
Enakkum theriyathu, poda!
RadMeerkat62445b ⢠78 points ⢠2022-10-11
Enikkum ariyatthilla, poda!
Dani3lJD ⢠33 points ⢠2022-10-11
Yenakkum theriyaadhu poda!
Hopeless_road ⢠92 points ⢠2022-10-11
Enikkum ariyilla hindi
ekalavya007 ⢠81 points ⢠2022-10-11
Namakku theveilla chetta!
tralfamadelorean31 ⢠10 points ⢠2022-10-11
saintly_devil ⢠12 points ⢠2022-10-12
Ek gaavom mein ek kisaan raghu thaatha!
epicpro1234 ⢠21 points ⢠2022-10-11
I like how I can understand this post, speak hindi and write this comment in english because why not
mongrelbifana ⢠48 points ⢠2022-10-11
Thereâs a huge contrast in no. of Hindi speakers in urban v/s rural MH and Goa. A lot of natives donât speak Hindi very well, may understand it.
[deleted] ⢠9 points ⢠2022-10-11
So true
wheresmyglassmate ⢠95 points ⢠2022-10-11
Hinthi thorra thorra aata
Alternative-Cut-4831 ⢠94 points ⢠2022-10-11
Damn i get why tamils are upset
Cyberian-Deprochan ⢠18 points ⢠2022-10-15
Not only Tamils, they stood up for a good majority. I am from Kerala and didnt enjoy studying it till 8th std. I dont represent the whole state tho. There are people(not a lot imo) who like Hindi too.
skullcrusher5 ⢠39 points ⢠2022-10-11
I want to see the graph of pure Hindi speaking people. Here 56+ languages are clubbed.
vidvizharbuk ⢠17 points ⢠2022-10-12
As per 2011 census, less thn 25% have indicated Hindi as mother tongue in whole of North India. Despite Hindi being imposed on them since 1950s, it has managed get just 25%⌠These fools dont even know how much culture they lost with loss of mother tongue.
OnidaKYGel ⢠96 points ⢠2022-10-11
My neighbours are from Haryana. I am from Delhi. But I dont understand half the things they say. I dont think local variants should be considered Hindi.
Edit: for those that want to argue specifics please read this
Similarly, Swedish, Danish and Norwegian are considered different, because they are the national languages of different countries (which they share a name with). However, a Swede, Dane and Norwegian could converse with each other and understand one another. So, are they each speaking a dialect of the same language or a different one? Well, it depends on how you look at it. In the case of Scandinavia, languages are delineated along national lines, not in terms of mutual intelligibility.
In the case of Serbia, Croatia, Montenegro, Bosnia and Herzegovina, the five countries that emerged out of the dissolution of the former Yugoslavia, variants of Serbo-Croatian, the language of Yugoslavia, became distinct national languages that the newly born nations identified themselves under. Some linguists assert that the difference between them is less than the differences between variations of English. However, such cases, the elevation of dialects to languages are less about intelligibility are more about the politics of national identity. A good example of the latter scenario was the public outcry over Cantonese being a dialect of Chinese but not recognized by Hong Kong as official.
https://blog.e2language.com/dialect-and-language-differences/
bluehihai ⢠24 points ⢠2022-10-11
The entire state of MP speaks a dialect of Hindi - Malwi (Malwa Plateau) and Nimadi (Nimad region). And that makes 95%. So if not local dialects, then which hindi is Hindi?
OnidaKYGel ⢠10 points ⢠2022-10-11
This is a question that linguists also dont have an answer for. In these situations, it is politicians that then decide what is what.
the difference between a language and a dialect was ultimately a political distinction and had little to do with linguistics per se. Thus, German and Dutch are separate languages, but Mandarin and Meixian Chinese are supposed dialects.
Linguists, however, do make a distinction between the two based on the concept of mutual intelligibility. Two languages where speakers can understand each other are considered dialects of the same language, whereas two languages where the speakers cannot understand each other are, indeed, separate languages.
https://slate.com/human-interest/2014/02/what-s-the-difference-between-a-dialect-and-a-language.html
Similarly, Swedish, Danish and Norwegian are considered different, because they are the national languages of different countries (which they share a name with). However, a Swede, Dane and Norwegian could converse with each other and understand one another. So, are they each speaking a dialect of the same language or a different one? Well, it depends on how you look at it. In the case of Scandinavia, languages are delineated along national lines, not in terms of mutual intelligibility.
In the case of Serbia, Croatia, Montenegro, Bosnia and Herzegovina, the five countries that emerged out of the dissolution of the former Yugoslavia, variants of Serbo-Croatian, the language of Yugoslavia, became distinct national languages that the newly born nations identified themselves under. Some linguists assert that the difference between them is less than the differences between variations of English. However, such cases, the elevation of dialects to languages are less about intelligibility are more about the politics of national identity. A good example of the latter scenario was the public outcry over Cantonese being a dialect of Chinese but not recognized by Hong Kong as official.
https://blog.e2language.com/dialect-and-language-differences/
[deleted] ⢠133 points ⢠2022-10-11
If the migrant workers from north didnât come here for labour, I think Kerala would have had even less Hindi speakers. Overall Hindi here is irrelevant.
[deleted] ⢠82 points ⢠2022-10-11
Meanwhile my homestate - Hold my 2.1% đđđ
[deleted] ⢠57 points ⢠2022-10-11
I am currently learning 3 languages- English,Hindi,Russian I know Hindi and English as it is I am from CG and studied in English medium school My mother tongue is Sindhi, I can only understand it though
Out of all hindi is hardest cause we use all the words of different languages. Like our vocabulary is a little bit mixed with urdu and if someone is from Gujrat or maharashtra they would also have those words mixed in so it becomes harder
lord-zenith ⢠10 points ⢠2022-10-11
Me as well. ĐĐ°Đş доНа?
[deleted] ⢠6 points ⢠2022-10-11
ĐĽĐžŃĐžŃĐž ŃОваŃиŃ.
Mehran96 ⢠5 points ⢠2022-10-12
Ada cha haal aa? Where are you from ( I didnt get CG)?
[deleted] ⢠5 points ⢠2022-10-12
Thik aayaen , (chattisgarh)
proto_9r0 ⢠9 points ⢠2022-10-11
Is Urdu added here too, becused i used to live in tamil-nadu but all our community knew urdu, i mean it was pretty small community but just asking.
I mean if u speak urdu you al technically speak hindi
starkt442 ⢠9 points ⢠2022-10-12
Proud to be a Thamizhan. đĽš
[deleted] ⢠0 points ⢠2022-10-11
Yes! Thank you for bringing this up. Same applies for neighbouring Vidarbha and Gadchiroli as well.
mongrelbifana ⢠10 points ⢠2022-10-11
Yes! Thank you for bringing this up. Same applies for neighbouring Vidarbha and Gadchiroli as well.
bootpalishAgain ⢠85 points ⢠2022-10-11
56+ mother tongues to be killed to give Hindi enough legitimacy to kill many other mother tongues.
We loved colonialism so much that we intend to keep practicing it across the country over and over again in different forms.
[deleted] ⢠40 points ⢠2022-10-11
Ts would be more if we consider Urdu and Hindi the same language
kevinsspidermanshoes ⢠41 points ⢠2022-10-11
That is largely the HYD region though. Once you move 50kms out of HYD, everyone prefers Telugu.
[deleted] ⢠10 points ⢠2022-10-11
Iâm from Hyderabad . My Hindi isnât that perfect , itâs grammatically very imperfect but it is enough to get by.
AP7497 ⢠5 points ⢠2022-10-11
In my experience, the vast majority of people in Telangana even outside Hyderabad can hold conversations in Deccani.
catiro7 ⢠6 points ⢠2022-10-11
This is a very old. There should be divided Andhra Pradesh.
Chekkan_87 ⢠107 points ⢠2022-10-11
Which language going to disappear next?
- Punjabi
- Gujrati
- Marathi
Edit:
I think this discussion required a separate post.
yaaaaahooooo ⢠83 points ⢠2022-10-11
Punjabi language is never disappearing because it is very closely linked with the Sikh religion.
im_dead_inside_69 ⢠44 points ⢠2022-10-11
Sanskrit died
[deleted] ⢠7 points ⢠2022-10-12
No it was never popular outside cities. Sanskrit literally means language of sanskar as opposed to Prakrit meaning language of nature/tribes. Its for the same reason Shakespearean English âdiedâ.
[deleted] ⢠11 points ⢠2022-10-11
But lot of Punjabis are moving abroad and their descendants will probably not speak Punjabi
amn_00007 ⢠12 points ⢠2022-10-11
Why do you think Punjabi will disappear? Iâm Punjabi. Iâve not met a person in Punjab who doesnât speak Punjabi. Also Punjabi is mandatory in schools from class 1 to 10.
rang-de-basanti ⢠74 points ⢠2022-10-11
I vote for Gujarati, since Amit Shah is so enthusiastic about Hindi.
chefsanji_r ⢠29 points ⢠2022-10-11
Tbh since people here force their children to English medium schools they already donât know gujarati numbers, and can barely write their mother tongue
considering this recent trend I think new generations will be poor in gujarati which will eventually kill the language and could be spoken in some villages only , well they speak complex version of gujarati( more like different accent than usual).
A_random_zy ⢠31 points ⢠2022-10-11
Not Punjabi I reckon. Many people in Punjab are waking up to Hindi imposition. You may have seen road signs in Punjab people protested and made it so that Punjabi is written at the top in those road signs. People have also started glorifying âvillageâ culture in songs etc. which also includes Punjabi. As far as I am aware it is also compulsory to know Punjabi to get a government job.
I for one will be very happy if songs start glorifying Punjabi language as well.
Ok-Effort-2990 ⢠13 points ⢠2022-10-11
Disappear? Can you elaborate?
Chekkan_87 ⢠57 points ⢠2022-10-11
What happened to languages like Bhojpuri, Magadhi?
intellectual_weeb_ ⢠14 points ⢠2022-10-11
Na bhai, Marathi disappear hoychi nay. Next generation paryant tari rahil ti. Canât guarantee what the later generation has in mind.
lyf-ftw ⢠10 points ⢠2022-10-11
ठरŕĽŕ¤§ŕĽŕ¤Żŕ¤žŕ¤ľŕ¤° तर ŕ¤ŕ¤ĽŕĽŕ¤ सŕ¤ŕ¤Şŕ¤˛ŕĽ!
KingRanx ⢠5 points ⢠2022-10-11
None, I can say with confidence, I know pahari/dogri, can easily understand/speak Punjabi, similarly haryanvis with little practice can speak it fluently.
Our next generation is learning our mother tongue first and they they migrate to other languages similar to english. So no languages dying here.
[deleted] ⢠0 points ⢠2022-10-11
Iâve never met a Gujarati who canât speak Hindi. And Iâve travelled across the state extensively to document the locals, wildlife, culinary history.
mongrelbifana ⢠42 points ⢠2022-10-11
Iâve never met a Gujarati who canât speak Hindi. And Iâve travelled across the state extensively to document the locals, wildlife, culinary history.
Galaxy01500 ⢠44 points ⢠2022-10-11
Same, almost everyone here speaks Hindi except some small village areas
AbrahamPan ⢠11 points ⢠2022-10-12
Lemme declare all languages in these areas as Hindi dialects, so that I can count them as speaking Hindi. Buhahah. Win win?
/s
Hibisin ⢠19 points ⢠2022-10-11
census clubs 56+ mother tongues as hindi
Ah now i understand how some states have so high %, pretty bad thing to do
phs125 ⢠8 points ⢠2022-10-12
Also why Iâm not considered linguistic minority
I speak a language spoken by approximately 3 lakh people according to internet data.
I live in tulunadu where 60% people speak tulu.
But since itâs in Karnataka, Tulu speakers are linguistic minorities. But my language is clubbed into kannada legally. So apparently I speak the same language entire state speaks, so Iâm not a linguistic minority.
Jealous-Bat-7812 ⢠24 points ⢠2022-10-11
Mmala tamizhan da.
Trick_Medium9078 ⢠54 points ⢠2022-10-11
MH has suffered greatly due to introduction of mandatory hindi in its all elementary schools, I grew up in urban MH and went to Marathi medium school and still remember that both English n bs hindi was introduced in curricular from 5th grade onwards, the level of hindi was as good as Marathi but our English was completely f**ked up, we only had some very easy passage based questions in English whereas Marathi n hindi had a great depth for absolutely no reason. I still remember having tough time to adapt to English when enrolled in junior college, first 6 months were nothing short of a nightmare as everything conveyed in English, slowly n steadily I picked up this global language so much so that today I can hardly hold a conversation in hindi which was completely unnecessary language that was pushed onto me just for some bs political agenda. All STEM subjected should be taught in English and only one local state language should be there in all schools across that respective state, enough of this bs hindi/urdu imposition which is barely few centuries old, nowhere close to as rich as Marathi/Tamil. As a matter of fact its nothing more than a unnecessary third grade language born out of mating between persian and prakrit during islamic invasion. pakistanis declared urdu as its national language as they look up to those islamic invaders of Indian subcontinent as their true founding fathers, Blow Job Party (BJP) promoting hindi just confirms that they and pakistanis have a common founding father !!!! technically it could be true for north Indians as hindi/urdu originated there only during islamic sultanate era but it canât be applicable to MH which has its own unique language and culture which predates bs hindi/urdu era.
We should wake up from this fake delusion of unity in diversity and bla bla bla, we are third world country which is very much dependent on FDI even in this age of technology where AI/ML is taking over the western world and old age theft is getting replaced by intelligent hackers !!!! Since 1947 India was on suicidal path of socialism thanks to our then idiotic leadership and their chosen godfather Soviet USSR, we were about to go bankrupt just like USSR but then in early 1990s India opened its doors to foreign investment and today whatever growth that India has witnessed is only because of FDI. We should be replacing that bs third grade hindi by far superior and globally recognized English, instead the progressive west and southern states of the country had to raise their voice on regular basis against this forced hindi imposition !!!!! This simply confirms that India is barely a true democratic country, its a country which is still running on system that British gave to us more than a century ago with âthe one who has a power is always rightâ principle at its core.
[deleted] ⢠19 points ⢠2022-10-11
ânyan chapati kazhikar illa chor ann thinath athond ennik hindi ariyan padillaâ !!